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as you all saw the team has just wrapped

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joining me to my left is richard jones

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who is the asset flight director for

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this sts-135 mission we'll turn it over

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to him to make some remarks then turn it

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over to commander chris ferguson and

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then we'll take questions richard

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okay thanks uh uh first of all i want to

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thank everyone for coming out um

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you're standing in this wonderful room

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the mission control center and the white

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flight control room or the white figure

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as we know it

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um you got to observe the the teamwork

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uh the absolute cohesiveness that

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what it takes to to get something uh

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like this done and uh what we're doing

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is we're building teamwork with uh with

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our crew me our our team members within

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this room but we're building that that

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cohesiveness cohesiveness with the crew

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um and today was very typical of of an

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asset simulation a lot of failures uh

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glad to be a part of this team so i'm

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going to hand this over to uh to chris

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ferguson or fergie and let him introduce

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thanks richard and thank you everybody

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for coming out today uh hopefully you

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got a small snapshot of

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what a crew goes through and what the

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mission control team goes through as we

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you know richard's being a little bit

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humble these folks in this room are the

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best of the best there is no one else in

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the world who can do the job that they

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do just the way they do and i think you

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had a little taste today for just how

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much they helped the crew get through a

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lot of the things that the crew the crew

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simply could not get through on their

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own each one of these subject matter

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experts are experts in their field they

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know all the answers and i'll tell you

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what when they're helping us and they're

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perhaps a layer too deep but once it

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complex scenarios that you've seen uh it

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bore that out to be absolutely true we

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really need their help and they have

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this whole evolution was designed to

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center so i want to keep this real short

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pilot doug hurley uh doug hurley is a

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colonel in the marine corps uh he's a

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veteran of a single space flight sts 129

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magnus a veteran of uh singles well

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my name is kevin fong with the bbc

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fully turned my attention to it's time

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attention to okay here we go but uh

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ryan coursgard from kprc-tv here in

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houston what are your reflections as we

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end and we visited about this a moment

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stepping on each other and so those are

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space center uh counterparts are working

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every single aspect of the mission

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commander ferguson pat patton getting

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about being the commander for nasa's

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office could have taken this position

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interesting and title but you know we

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have a fantastic crew

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outstanding uh team who support us on

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shoulders of some incredible people who

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grindstone we're very busy

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hi robert perlman with collectspace.com

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with a question for each of the crew um

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you just talked about the many different

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finals that there are um but this was

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your last suited run and there have been

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everything you're doing is a last

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best we can to honor them and and have a

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great mission and uh we look forward to

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oh thanks mark caro for aviation week um

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tone of the mission starts with post

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woman what are you going to say to your

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rest of the question as far as the

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last flight well it is as as our

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commander said it's a great honor to be

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on this last flight it's one of those

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things where we kind of knew we were

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getting close to being assigned but

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didn't know whether we would get there

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before the line closed down and so we

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were really excited when it so happened

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that we got to fly on this flight

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my kids have been involved we kind of

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have a tradition in my family we we go

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over to space center houston and watch

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the

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next mission when it's my mission as we

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kind of sit in the audience and watch as

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they explain about the mission and stuff

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that's kind of fun

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and then they once during the training

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flow they come over to the neutral

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buoyancy lab and watch us in the pool as

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they've been following along my boys are

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13 and 14 and this fellow they'll really

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enjoy it a lot more than than the others

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but it is harder on on the families it's

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it's it's one thing for us to have a

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little bit of sense of control when

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we're out in a vehicle and getting ready

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to fly and they just have to watch and

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even when we're out there watching our

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friends on missions that we're not

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assigned to it's tough to sit there and

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not be able to do anything and watch

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people fly so the families really have

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jackie goddard for the sunday telegraph

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newspaper of london thank you for having

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us along today i wanted to ask um any or

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all of you um how do you balance that

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sense of making this a celebration of 30

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years of the space shuttle against also

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that sense that some people have

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expressed some good long in the tooth

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nasa veterans that this feels more like

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a funeral because it's the last one how

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do you get that balance and how will you

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be feeling uh that's a great question

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and i'm gonna i'm gonna turn to richard

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in just a second but because i think

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it's largely uh his group of folks who's

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uh who are gonna be the most affected at

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least in the near term when the

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mission's over

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um you know this this whole uh drawdown

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of nasa's uh contractor workforce has

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been it's been a force to be reckoned

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with throughout the training flow uh we

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have made ample trips to the kennedy

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space center to make sure that we get as

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much one-on-one contact with the

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individuals who are touching the vehicle

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who work on the space hardware because

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it's an it's uh it's it's a pivotal time

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for them in their lives they want to see

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the shuttle program through as safely uh

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and as successfully as the

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missions that preceded it but at the

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same time they have other factors on

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their mind as well like what are they

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gonna do uh when this is all over so we

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have made many trips back and forth and

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i'll tell you i think i speak for

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everybody when i say that uh you know

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this workforce is has been

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extraordinarily professional uh up until

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the very very end and i am i'm

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enormously proud of every single one of

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the folks who touched the vehicle out

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there at the kennedy space center i

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don't know if you paid attention a

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little bit we had a kind of a major

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milestone yesterday we filled the

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external tank with hydrogen

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and oxygen and we just waited to see

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what happened and uh you know we found a

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little bit of leak a leak in one area

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and we're going to go back and fix that

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in the course of the normal flow

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hopefully it will preserve our current

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launch date so living proof that we have

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the same number of uh you know the same

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capabilities we've always had and i'm

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going to turn it over to richard because

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he's going to lose a few folks here too

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i'll just uh amplify what fergie just

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said right now just just a little bit

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the professionalism that i have observed

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in all of the folks that are here in

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this room

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different centers that uh that are

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involved in this program uh it's almost

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unbelievable and you know with so much

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weighing on on these folks minds with

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respect to this transition what is next

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for them

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this

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their job is the most important thing to

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them uh at this moment and to make to

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have that actually be the case

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it's uh it's just part of

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it's what makes this this program

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special because the people that are

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working these jobs

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want that to be the first thing that

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they're they're thinking about want it

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to be the first thing that they're

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accomplishing that day want it to be

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uh the most special thing that they can

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be and make it the most safest

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most successful mission that they can be

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and it's uh

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i'm amazed when i see that but at the

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same time

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it doesn't surprise me because when in

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this community we're all family and

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we're all going through the same thing

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and

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it

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nasaspaceflight.com um

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for the commander um on that last run

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with the systems aoa it sounded like

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just listening to the flight control

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team here that they were really busy and

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it sounded like uh the four of you are

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really busy

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and i know uh in the past you've sat in

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the capcom seat in this room

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who would you say has the the harder job

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in that situation the folks in this room

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or the folks on the flight deck i have

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an opinion on that

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i'll tell you um

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and

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i'll talk about the systems aoa that we

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did this morning in just a second but

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after working we have a big simulation

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coming up a week actually monday a fido

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booster which is a it's it's rather

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intense it involves a lot of very unique

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uh

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launch abort scenarios

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and i had been through it a couple times

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over in the box and then when i started

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working as a capcom i'd been over uh

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working through it here and i remember

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my exact feelings that when i finished

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that first one as a capcom i said that

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was 10 times harder than being over in

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the box and simply following the very

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explicit direction

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of you know of the capcom so uh

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coordinating it all

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and this is where we really uh hats off

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to the flight control team and what they

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do over here yeah when we get over there

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and some of those uh some of those sims

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it's it's uh it's a lot easier

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compliments of them

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um with regard to today's scenario that

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was a little different i wasn't

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expecting that but it was

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extraordinarily well scripted

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you know we had we had folks standing we

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had to bring the motion down and the

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simulator so we could get people out of

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their seats so they could start throwing

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all the switches that they needed to

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throw to do everything it was very

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unusual to run through a scenario like

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that uh but

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it's uh it's very important we practice

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we have a very small crew this time we

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don't have anyone in the mid deck so we

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uh i think it was it was a great script

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and gave us an opportunity and the

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mission control team an opportunity to

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see just what our capabilities are with

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regard to getting people out of their

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seats shortly after the main engines cut

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off and go through the multitude of

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switches that we had to throw today i

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think we had we left no switch unturned

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mark kramer from cbs news for chris or

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doug you've had a somewhat foreshortened

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preparation period for this mission

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compared to what you'd normally have

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how have the number of simulations for

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this compared with what you'd usually

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expect and how did you jam all the

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preparation into that shorter period of

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time and a follow-up on that is every

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failure that you see in a simulation

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unique do you have a favorite are some

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repeated because

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because they're more likely

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yeah let me let me see if i can remember

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all that uh

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you know our training flow has been

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compressed they kind of waited to the

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last

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possible moment to assign us just

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because we weren't sure whether the

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mission was going to fly so it's been

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been very compressed we probably

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were surely not going to get the maximum

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number of sims i know fergie was on his

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first flight for a sign for four

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four years so he probably saw a lot more

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sims then

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uh than we're gonna see but we're

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definitely getting a good amount and uh

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you know frankly we're just probably uh

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you know like these guys in mission

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control we're just working longer days

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to make sure we get every every base

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covered

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and i i think they're doing a great job

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i mean that sim today was

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was just crazy at times but it was uh

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you know they just fed us the

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information we needed and at the time we

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needed it and

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then we just you know the old alligator

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closest to the boat that's what we were

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doing

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and uh

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and as far as my favorite malfunction

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uh

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i don't know like today's was great and

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it was a freebie we had a helium leak on

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an engine and my mic was stuck

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so as we're trying to sort that and what

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happens is now

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we're on

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anybody talking in the cockpit the

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ground hears as they're trying to get us

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information and luckily you know we we

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work through it but it was just uh it

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was interesting because it was an actual

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hardware failure and and it's not

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uncommon to have that unit that

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interface unit that we have that we use

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to talk to the ground uh sometimes it

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breaks but that was a good one today and

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it was like i said it wasn't really

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yeah greg milam sky news um

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it's clear from what you've said that

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the team is very important in putting

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all of this together have you allowed

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yourself this to the crew have you

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allowed yourself to think about

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the emotions you'll feel when this

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mission is over can you can you give

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yourself a chance to think about those

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things

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yeah

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actually we haven't i think it hasn't

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hit us completely yet it's hit us in

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bits and pieces

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gradually as we've gotten closer for

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example we had a crew equipment

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interface test back in april in florida

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and we were down there this is typically

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a test we do with the orbiter while it's

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still in the processing facility and we

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go into the orbiter we look at the

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orbiter make sure everything's the way

553
00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:46,559
we would like it to be and and the

554
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:48,720
ground team there shows us the different

555
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:49,840
pieces of hardware we're going to

556
00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:52,240
interface with and the day after we had

557
00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:53,919
this test about half the team we were

558
00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:55,200
working with

559
00:20:57,750 --> 00:20:56,640
was going to be let go that was their

560
00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:57,760
last day

561
00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:59,600
and that's really for me the first time

562
00:21:02,950 --> 00:21:01,200
it became

563
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:02,960
i guess i became emotional about it

564
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:04,799
because it was just so

565
00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:06,400
it was very sad but it was also very

566
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:08,000
inspiring because you see these people

567
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:10,640
who are so dedicated and so passionate

568
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:12,480
about what they do that

569
00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:14,320
um even though they were leaving a job

570
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:16,159
that they had for decades they were

571
00:21:18,870 --> 00:21:17,679
still very excited about being a part of

572
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:18,880
the space program and they were very

573
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:20,559
determined that they were going to give

574
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:22,000
us atlantis in the best shape that it

575
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:24,480
could be in and it just it hits home

576
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:25,919
again it's like what a spectacular

577
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:28,000
workforce we have and it's just

578
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:29,360
unfortunate that our transition is

579
00:21:33,029 --> 00:21:30,720
taking place in such a way that we're

580
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:33,039
going to lose such good people and that

581
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:35,120
will really hit home even more after we

582
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:37,039
land and we really start saying goodbye

583
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:49,190
hey ted oberg from channel 13 here in

584
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:50,960
town i i think the question was asked

585
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:52,640
earlier about is this a celebration or a

586
00:21:56,070 --> 00:21:54,320
funeral i i wonder if you guys could

587
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:56,080
help us in houston

588
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:59,520
do we end this program heads held high

589
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:01,039
uh with

590
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:03,360
30 years of accomplishments behind us

591
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:05,200
or should we sort of slump and say hey

592
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:07,440
look we're ending too soon i'm just

593
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:09,280
curious from your point of view how we

594
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:11,039
should all see this well in an ideal

595
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:12,720
world if there was enough funds to tran

596
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:15,039
to continue to operate this program at

597
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:16,640
the same time as you develop a new

598
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:18,400
program then yes we could potentially go

599
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:19,280
on but

600
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:20,480
being realistic about the money

601
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:22,159
situation the countries and we it's hard

602
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:24,720
to do both so then you say okay what is

603
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:26,400
our goal our goal is to go beyond low

604
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:28,080
earth orbit we need to get beyond the

605
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:29,840
200 miles up to the space station we

606
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:31,600
need to get back to exploring places

607
00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:34,000
where we've very rarely or never been

608
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:35,919
and to do that we need a new vehicle so

609
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:37,440
i think we we do need to make that

610
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:39,039
transition now part of that hard

611
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:41,120
transition is retiring the space shuttle

612
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:42,640
and that is no question going to be

613
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:44,480
going to be very very difficult but as

614
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:46,000
far as i look at it you look at almost

615
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:47,760
like a what a person when a person

616
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:49,919
retires after 30 years of a magnificent

617
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:52,000
career you have a big celebration you

618
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:53,520
talk about what they did in the case of

619
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:55,200
the space shuttle it launched probes to

620
00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:57,280
the sun to the planets it launched the

621
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:59,440
hubble space telescope and it fixed the

622
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:00,799
hubble space telescope and then the

623
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:03,120
crown jewel it built the entire the us

624
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:04,640
segment of the of the international

625
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:06,320
space station so you take a look at all

626
00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:08,320
those you see those legacies live on you

627
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:09,679
know the hubble will still be out there

628
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:11,919
taking pictures and answering questions

629
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:13,760
about the origins of the universe the sp

630
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:15,039
the international space station will be

631
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,559
there as the premier

632
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:18,480
space research facility and so you

633
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:20,480
celebrate those and you let the space

634
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:22,000
shuttle take its rest now the space

635
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:24,080
shuttle also won't stop inspiring people

636
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:25,440
they're going to park atlantis down the

637
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:26,720
kennedy space center and little kids are

638
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:28,159
going to go up real close for the first

639
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:30,240
time to get to see the atlantis and say

640
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:32,080
wow that's amazing we could launch those

641
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:34,000
things into space and hopefully they get

642
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:35,520
the same kid reactions get well do it

643
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:37,840
again do it again and so i'm hoping that

644
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:39,200
it inspires people when they go up and

645
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:40,880
see it close that hey we do need to keep

646
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:42,159
doing this and we need to go farther

647
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:47,350
hi robert perlman with collectspace.com

648
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,880
again uh for richard and chris um you

649
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:52,320
had a couple of runs today that i

650
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,880
believe were um uh transatlantic aborts

651
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:56,880
and assuming atlantis gets to orbit fine

652
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:59,600
knock on wood um they will that will be

653
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:00,960
an activity that has never been

654
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:03,200
performed uh through the shuttle program

655
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:04,799
can you weigh

656
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:06,799
the time that was spent training for

657
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:08,799
that activity versus

658
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:10,000
um

659
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:11,120
what might have been given other

660
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:12,720
priorities versus

661
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:15,039
given that you in hindsight we never had

662
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:16,960
to do that type of activity

663
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:17,760
yeah

664
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:19,840
you know and let me quote john young of

665
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:21,279
course john young is a legacy in our

666
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:23,200
office and uh

667
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:26,559
when i first got here in 1998 um when we

668
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:28,480
talked about these kind of aborts and he

669
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:29,760
talked openly of course he was the first

670
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:31,520
one that flew the shuttle

671
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:33,679
even at that time around the vicinity of

672
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:37,200
sts 98 99 100 he said that he found it

673
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:38,559
absolutely incredible that we hadn't

674
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:40,799
executed some type of abort up to this

675
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,159
point in the program

676
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:44,240
so i i think just to answer your

677
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,960
question me personally you know was it

678
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:48,720
perhaps time wasted doing all that well

679
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:51,279
absolutely not because i think we are we

680
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:53,279
are you know we've had we've had one

681
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:54,400
very late

682
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:56,240
ssme failure very early on in the

683
00:25:01,830 --> 00:25:00,320
program but uh you know we it's the ssme

684
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:01,840
is an amazing thing

685
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:03,520
but it's a seven thousand pounds swiss

686
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:06,240
watch and and one small thing can can

687
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:08,000
lead to lead to an abort and we always

688
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:09,200
need to be prepared for something like

689
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:11,840
that so uh you know knock on wood we're

690
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:13,039
gonna get through this program without

691
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:15,360
executing you know our intact aborts a

692
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:18,480
towel or perhaps an rtls or an aoa but

693
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:19,520
uh

694
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:21,200
no i think we need to do this plus it

695
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,880
helps everybody understand the system a

696
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:24,240
lot better i've talked a little bit

697
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:25,840
longer than you turned over to richard

698
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:27,440
gosh fergie said what i was about to say

699
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:28,400
there at the end

700
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:30,480
um it teaches us about the the orbiter

701
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,840
every one of these simulations that we

702
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:33,840
do whether it's an ascent an orbit or an

703
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:35,919
entry simulation we learn things about

704
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:37,200
the vehicle we learn things about

705
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:39,039
ourselves we learn things about our

706
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:40,799
procedures and we learn about

707
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:42,880
deficiencies that have to be filled or

708
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:44,880
we learn about things that just just

709
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:47,360
need a little bit more attention and so

710
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:49,279
uh no matter what you're doing even

711
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:50,880
though we've spent all this time

712
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:53,440
practicing all of these ascent or entry

713
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:56,000
ascent related aborts

714
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:57,600
that's what makes us stronger makes us

715
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:58,960
what we are and

716
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:01,039
i think in a way it makes this look

717
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:03,039
routine

718
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:05,039
that's what it does and so

719
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:06,320
all of the work that we're putting in

720
00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:08,559
down here translates to gosh

721
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:09,919
everything's looking pretty normal up

722
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:15,350
uh mark caro for aviation week and this

723
00:26:18,149 --> 00:26:17,279
may be for rich or chris i'm not sure

724
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:18,159
what

725
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:20,480
uh but do you and i'm following up an

726
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:22,000
earlier question about extension

727
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,559
potential for the mission is it possible

728
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:26,880
at all is it depend on how much power

729
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:29,120
you can serve

730
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:30,480
what are you looking at in the back

731
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:31,760
pocket if you

732
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:33,919
well my understanding right now

733
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,799
the limiting criteria is i cryo our

734
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,880
cryogenic capability that the the

735
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:40,799
consumables ever loading on the orbiter

736
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:43,120
even if we lift off on time we're not

737
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:46,400
going to have enough cryo to make an

738
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:48,320
extra day that we could add to the

739
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:51,039
mission so right now my understanding is

740
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:54,320
uh we have a 12-day mission and

741
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:56,000
a nominal 12-day mission is all that

742
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,000
we're going to get it's unless we do

743
00:27:01,990 --> 00:27:00,240
something very heroic in terms of a

744
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:02,000
power down

745
00:27:07,470 --> 00:27:06,159
we're not going to get that extra day

746
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:07,480
philip sloss with the

747
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:09,279
nasaspaceflight.com i

748
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:12,720
i guess is maybe for sandy uh

749
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:13,840
where uh

750
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:16,480
where does it stand in terms of uh

751
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:18,880
the the transfers um i guess i've seen

752
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:20,320
some information that says you're going

753
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:23,440
to try and get the mplm about 70 full

754
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:24,960
coming down

755
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:26,159
if you do

756
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:31,520
pack it even more full than that or is

757
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:34,799
that about or is it you know that's it

758
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:36,559
i'm giggling because i've been i've been

759
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:38,399
pushing all along we need to take more

760
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:40,159
foam back with us when we return because

761
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:41,360
you know as a station crew member that's

762
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:43,120
a challenge to get all the packing

763
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:45,039
material out of the space station bring

764
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:46,799
it home because packing material takes

765
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:48,559
up a lot of space and we use it very

766
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:50,240
enthusiastically

767
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:51,919
we do have about a 70

768
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:54,559
a full mplm you know it's very dynamic

769
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,679
at that part of the mission there'll be

770
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:57,840
things i'm sure that are added on as the

771
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:59,600
space station program takes a look at

772
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:00,399
what

773
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:05,039
have time to get ready for us so

774
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:06,960
hopefully we can bring more than that

775
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:08,559
and we'll see we'll certainly be ready

776
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:10,080
to and i'm sure we'll be asked to bring

777
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:11,840
more than that as well and as far as

778
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:13,360
time goes i think we'll be able to get

779
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:18,470
jackie goddard for the sunday telegraph

780
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:20,799
again um i wanted to ask who's the last

781
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:22,880
person that will get off atlantis after

782
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:24,399
wheel stop i'm assuming it's you

783
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,480
commander and if i'm correct what will

784
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:28,799
you do and what will you say um to bid

785
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:31,200
farewell to the shuttle into the end of

786
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:32,880
this era

787
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:34,880
well traditionally the commander gets

788
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:37,440
off uh last and unless chunky here does

789
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:39,840
something to me uh i

790
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:42,960
i plan on i plan on getting off last um

791
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:44,240
you know what we'll have some words

792
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:45,600
hopefully that will acknowledge the

793
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:47,200
significance of the event uh after the

794
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:49,600
wheels stop and uh you know i near the

795
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:51,760
very end i don't know i'll probably just

796
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:53,440
try to find something i'm not preparing

797
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:54,799
anything but i'm sure we'll have some

798
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,240
really good words for the control team

799
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:58,559
here in houston uh you know to thank

800
00:29:01,750 --> 00:29:00,320
them because you know not only are we

801
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:01,760
climbing out of the orbiter for the last

802
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:03,679
time but this room that we're standing

803
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:06,320
in here um you know it may be one of the

804
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:08,480
maybe one of the last times that it ever

805
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:10,080
gets used at least in the configuration

806
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,559
that it's in right now so i'm not quite

807
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:14,640
sure how everybody's gonna feel uh i i

808
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:16,559
think it'll be it'll be an emotionally

809
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:18,960
challenging time um i think it'll be a

810
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,960
celebration because uh

811
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:22,559
you know we're in effect we've we're

812
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:23,840
mission accomplished we've done

813
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:26,000
everything we set to do in a span of 30

814
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:27,200
years

815
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,880
but at the same time you know you always

816
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:30,399
hate to lose your

817
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:31,840
lose your first airplane i can't

818
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:33,279
remember the first airplane i ever flew

819
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:34,720
i hated stop flying it because i really

820
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:36,399
liked it and the space shuttle is no

821
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:46,950
just say god bless you and it's an honor

822
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:48,640
and privilege to be here with you pat

823
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:51,120
patton goodry news thanks so very much

824
00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:54,080
pat

825
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:56,080
with that that wraps up the uh media

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portion in the questions and just a

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reminder there are addition additional

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interview opportunities following this

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including with the lead space station

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flight director chris edelen and also

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quatsi oliverojo who is the lead shuttle

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flight director for the mission they'll